Second mound report released
by Patrick McCreless
Star staff writer
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OXFORD — A University of Alabama archaeologist has released a report stating a pile of stones in Oxford was created by natural forces and not American Indians centuries ago — a report written two months after he signed another report stating the opposite.

Robert Clouse, director of the Office of Archaeological Research at the University of Alabama and director of the University of Alabama Museums, mailed the second report on the mound behind the Oxford Exchange to The Star at a reporter’s request.

The report cites different geologic surveys of the area and other American Indian archaeological excavations for comparison. Clouse is not a geologist, though he says he minored in geology as an undergraduate student.

The report states the mound is a natural formation and is not culturally significant.

The stone mound became the center of a dispute last summer, which ended with the City of Oxford backing away from plans to level the mound and use dirt beneath it for fill at a nearby construction site. City officials have repeatedly stated the mound was not man-made. They also later claimed they had not touched the mound, a claim contradicted by pictures contained in Clouse’s second report which show heavy equipment dismantling it.

The second report concluding the mound was natural was produced in July during the thick of the controversy over the site which began in June. The first report, which said the site was significant, was produced in April.

In a Tuesday e-mail to the Star, Clouse stated the controversy had nothing to do with his change in opinion on the stone mound.

“No individual or department or any other entity from the City of Oxford or the contractors ever asked us to change our results or interpretation from the earlier report, nor would I have changed my interpretation if I truly felt there was any potential for human remains or that the feature was a cultural one,” Clouse stated. “To change my mind for such a reason as a client asking me to change would have been a violation of ethical conduct as I practice the profession of archaeology.”

Oxford City Project Manager Fred Denney said the second report, which he first saw last year, was not requested because of the controversy.

“The city at first had archaeologists look into that site several years ago,” Denney said. “We wanted to know if there was anything up there. That’s the reason we used archaeologists (in 2009), to find out what was there.”

Attempts to reach Mayor Leon Smith by phone Tuesday to discuss the matter were unsuccessful.

In the first archaeological report, which was signed by Clouse and presented to the city on April 30, 2009, page 52 states the stone mound behind the Oxford Exchange is definitively cultural and the chance a stone mound of that size was created by a random natural phenomena was unlikely.

The second report, which was written July 6, 2009 for the city, on page six states, “details of the geological structure of the setting of the site … is such that this author supports a natural origin for the rock mound.”

The statement is in direct contradiction to claims made by Harry Holstein, professor of archaeology and anthropology at Jacksonville State University, that the mound is American Indian in origin. Holstein has studied the stone mound and others around the county for decades.

“There is as much likelihood that mound was created by erosion as there is Mount Rushmore being created by erosion,” Holstein said.

The second report cites further observations made by UA archaeologists on July 1, as construction crews gradually dismantled the mound using a large track hoe, leading Clouse to his latest conclusion. Also, the data collected at the site was assessed with comparative data from other recorded Indian mound sites, the report said.

The report states the mound was likely natural in origin because there was no architectural or structural organization to the placement of the stones. Also, it states the absence of layers of soil within the stone mound suggests erosion has carried away any of the fine materials that may have been present through and out of the loose stones.

“The physical evidence of the large amount of stone in the sub-mound soil context and the massive size of some of the boulders in the ‘mound’ matrix were sufficient in my mind to reevaluate the source of the rock feature,” Clouse stated in an e-mail. “Also the existing geological descriptions of this context clearly describe the visible evidence at this location.”

The second report does not cite an opinion from a geologist, which Clouse confirmed in another Tuesday e-mail.

“I have not had a geologist come to the site for review of the specific feature,” Clouse stated. “I have discussed the issue and my conclusions with geologists on the staff of the State Geological Survey, but they have not been to the site.”

Clouse did not respond by press time to requests for the names of geologists he consulted.

A geologist has told The Star the mound was man-made, but The Star was unable to acquire the opinion of independent geologists Tuesday.

Denney said he did not know what the city’s current plans were for the mound.

“I have no way of knowing what the city is going to do,” Denney said.

Councilwoman June Land Reaves said she had not seen the second report.

Attempts to reach other City Council members were unsuccessful.

View the full report: Part 1 | Part 2

comments (40)
« setsail98@hotmail.com wrote on Tuesday, Feb 09 at 09:58 PM »
I wonder how many people follow this...

http://wsuanthroclub.wordpress.com/
« setsail98@hotmail.com wrote on Tuesday, Feb 09 at 09:08 PM »
Excellent pdf find Laureich!
« bdh0162@hotmail.com wrote on Sunday, Feb 07 at 08:33 PM »
vsheehan, sorry but Oxford is NOT going to build on top of remains. If additional remains are unearthed then Oxford will have to make some serious and expensive decisions but building on top of remains is not one of those options. That comes directly from the mayor.
« bdh0162@hotmail.com wrote on Sunday, Feb 07 at 08:29 PM »
Bama, you going to take a hike up that mound and show your children a bunch of empty beer bottles and cans? That is all that is there. However, if additional remains are located on the property of the old sod farm then that is something your children can know will be preserved.

It regards to your economic assessment of Oxford. The location of I-20 does help but it takes effective leadership and fiscal responsibilty to put away $100 million in savings for our city plus operate in the black year in and year out. How many other cities who have interstates running through them can make that kind of statement? By the way, who do you think pays for all of our new schools and school additions? Told you it is a great place to live.
« jeepfreak36279@yahoo.com wrote on Saturday, Feb 06 at 04:26 PM »
It's funny that some of you argue that the sites are not important unless it is a burial location and now others say that burial sites are not important. You say we need to think of the future. I am. I want my children and their children to be able to see with their own eyes how the first Americans lived. I want to be able to explain to them the function of the structure and to be able to tell them why our leaders had the foresight to save these treasures for the future. We are digging graves every day. The culturally important sites of the Native American are not being made every day. Instead they are disappearing each day because of lack of vision and concern. If a structure must have human remains buried underneath to be important, we should push down the Tower of Pisa, fill in the ruins of Pompeii for a Wal-Mart or McDonalds and dynamite the Pueblo Dwellings. The Colosseum at Rome would be a great location for NFL Europe. I have no opinion of Oxford's mayor except for this topic, but let's be real. I'm no economist but the intergration of City of Anniston schools and the proximity to I-20 is the main reason that Oxford is growing so fast.
« veronica@sheehanmiles.net wrote on Saturday, Feb 06 at 05:54 AM »
If there are people buried there and you could ask them if they would preserve a 1000 year old grave site or build something to help the their community to prosper you know the dearly departed would choose build.

Heck, if it was my grave site I would say build. I would never put the needs of those long past above the needs of those here today.

« setsail98@hotmail.com wrote on Friday, Feb 05 at 10:42 PM »
My bad... found 'em but no article/presentation. I'll e-mail them.

Keith Little, PhD | Senior Archaeologist



Dr. Keith Little is Senior Archaeologist for Tennessee Valley Archaeological Research. He received his Ph.D. in Anthropology from the University of Alabama and has 30 years of experience in all phases of archaeological investigation throughout Southeastern North America. Dr. Little’s primary research interests include prehistoric and protohistoric archaeology of Southeastern North America, paleoclimate, and geoarchaeology. He has written scores of cultural resource management reports as well as articles published by Early Georgia, The Florida Anthropologist, Journal of Alabama Archaeology, Southeastern Archaeology, and Smithsonian Institution Press.

Richard Krause, PhD | Senior Archaeologist



Dr. Richard Krause received his Ph.D. in Cultural Anthropology and Archaeology from Yale University in 1967. He has taught anthropology at The University of Nebraska, The Ohio State University, and the University of Missouri as well as The University of Alabama where he chaired the anthropology department from 1974 to 1981. Dr. Krause has conducted field research in the Great Plains, Alaska, South Africa, Yucatán and the Southeastern United States. He has also done ethnographic research among American Indians, and several South African Bantu speaking groups. Dr. Krause has served on the boards of directors of a number of scholarly associations, including the Plains Anthropological Society, the Council on Alabama Archaeology, and the Alabama Historical Commission.
« ashleydumas@usa.net wrote on Friday, Feb 05 at 09:53 PM »
setsail98: I believe that Richard Krause recently retired from being a professor of archaeology at UA after several decades. Keith Little appears to have recently received his PhD from UA. Krause and Little should post a link to a pdf of their paper.
« bdh0162@hotmail.com wrote on Friday, Feb 05 at 04:26 PM »
Mr. Hinton, I don't like personal attacks but you are well deserving of one. You criticize our mayor and his "cronies" as you like to say on every given opportunity. I respect your service to our country and the sacrifices you made but you have become so callous to your own comments you don't realize how critical you are. I know the mayor much better than you and also all the stories and innuendo that presents itself come election time.

I am very knowledgeable about Oxford. My family grew up, educated, and work in the city of Oxford. I am a businessman who understands leadership and the qualities that make up a successful leader. Are successful leaders always correct? No, but they learn and fight another day. Mayor Smith has been a great leader for the city of Oxford. He has also lead our city to great financial stability, provided millions of dollars to our childrens education, and our city continues to prosper. YOU have a personal dissatisfaction with the mayor that goes back many years and we all know that. You wouldn't agree with him if he brought in 1000 jobs to the city. You would find fault. I respect the man and the office and thankful for his service to our city. I don't like personal attacks but I have had enough of these attacks pointed toward our council and mayor when people have no clue. You have had your day and the people rejected you at the polls. No lets get back to the issue at hand and that is the mounds. If I offended anyone other than Mr. Hinton I am sorry. I have heard enough of him and his negative comments.
« setsail98@hotmail.com wrote on Friday, Feb 05 at 02:43 PM »
Mariajones1956, why is the "Statement of Opinion" a must read? Googling the Richard Krause and Keith Little cited there I found nothing. No presentation. No credentials.

There are numerous Native American sites monitoring the "mound" but they all cite reference works by Holstein or Clouse.
« mariajones1956@yahoo.com wrote on Friday, Feb 05 at 01:36 PM »
Must read for anybody questioning the opinion of other archaeologists in the state about the Oxford Stone Mound.

http://tvaresearch.com/opinion_oxfordmound.html
« fhinton1@bellsouth.net wrote on Friday, Feb 05 at 01:27 PM »
Exconfed, you are not only ignorant of this city, but also of the people who live here. I couldn't care less about your personal attacks toward me, because you've not based them on any fact. Post these alleged statements I have made. I question Mayor Smith's integrity and his honesty, it isn't the same as hating him.

If I truly hated Smith, I would throw in with the people who bring up Buford Pusser at every opportunity. I was even asked about that by a reporter for this paper. I stated that I thought that it was nothing more than gossip and unsubstantiated rumor. I have even chided people on these message boards in the past for bringing it up. And for not sticking to the topic. By throwing out that tired old canard, you have proven not only that you're ignorant of a great many things, you've also proved that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

Its odd how people who are losing an argument will throw out some personal attack. It kind of gives one an insight about their character. At least I don't hide behind an alias and I stand by my opinions. I'm not racing to court favor with Leon Smith. And, if you notice, I don't address the mayor as "Leon." I may not have much the respect for the officeholder, but I at least show respect for the office.
« bdh0162@hotmail.com wrote on Thursday, Feb 04 at 03:13 PM »
Bama, have just a little sense of humor. Politicians throw in children, police, firefighters, etc. to gain apathy and I was trying to be a good politician. To a more serious note I am more interested in knowing if we are building on top of remains than whether that hill is man-made or natural. To me that is unacceptable and will not happen.
« jeepfreak36279@yahoo.com wrote on Thursday, Feb 04 at 02:29 PM »
EX, When I said that I thought you appeared to be "close to a politician" I did not mean that you were close to being one. As far as articles being altered does that alter the fact of whether the mounds are man made or not? That is the only question I am concerned with. I am not a catfish and the water is muddy enough. Bringing in the brave police officers and fire fighters to somehow bolster your argument is ludicrous.
« bdh0162@hotmail.com wrote on Thursday, Feb 04 at 01:40 PM »
Bama, the last piece of the puzzle was finally printed in the paper today so now all sides have been heard. The star editors have been known to alter columns turned in from reporters in the past. That came directly from former reporters who reported the truth and then presented proof to back up their claims. So no, I really don't put much faith into the star. I do have an agenda for the City of Oxford. That is to continue to support the men and women who serve our city through being elected, serve as police and firefighters, volunteers, or anyone else who is a citizen of Oxford that looks out for the greater good of our city. We have a lot of those kind of people who live here. We may not all agree but for the people who live here we have a strong passion for our city. I never have nor will I ever serve as a politician but will to continue to pray and support those who do.
« jeepfreak36279@yahoo.com wrote on Thursday, Feb 04 at 11:58 AM »
I think the STAR has done an excellent job on this topic. They have printed Dr. Clouse's comments, rebuttals, and filings and put out the information and opinions of other archaeologist with opposing viewpoints. Was their coverage perfect? Probably not. However Mr. McCreless has worked hard to try to get things out there for us and I believe he has. It seems the only problem you have with the STAR is they dare to question the actions and motives of the officials of the city. I don't have a political agenda in Oxford. I don't know if the STAR does or not. I do believe that you have a political agenda in Oxford rather than a true concern for conservation of Native American or any other historical sites.
« bdh0162@hotmail.com wrote on Thursday, Feb 04 at 11:43 AM »
Bama, you praise the star on one side and then say they failed by not reporting what was happening there when the land operated as a sod farm. I am still trying to comprehend how you can compare Gettysburg, Moundville, etc, all federal parks and preserves with what we have here in Oxford. I am telling you if there are more remains found on the sod farm I think you will see action taken by the mayor and council to halt this project. The mayor stated at the council meeting there will be no recreational complex built on top of a burial ground. That is why he oppsed the site to begin with.
« jeepfreak36279@yahoo.com wrote on Thursday, Feb 04 at 10:14 AM »
They are protected because someone stood up to developers and got them protected just as we are trying to do in Oxford. If these sites were in Anniston, Jacksonville, White Plains or anywhere else that we access media coverage such as the STAR provided we would be just as involved. These sites would already have federal protection if the City of Oxford and it's contractors had done the "right thing" that you spoke of and added them to the National Registar. As for where we were when the mounds on the sod farm were destroyed, we were not made aware that it was happening. Why don't you criticize the STAR for not knowing or reporting on that instead of providing us information on the mounds that we can still save. Deflecting the argument on what should have happened will not change what should happen now.
« bdh0162@hotmail.com wrote on Thursday, Feb 04 at 10:02 AM »
Bama, the big difference in what you are trying to describe is all the places you mentioned are national parks and federally protected sites. We are talking about a hill that some believe "may" contain remains and those who don't believe that is true behind the Oxford Exchange. I have been to Gettysburg, Chicamauga, Moundville, and other such sites. This site does not even come close to those federally protected and national parks.
« bdh0162@hotmail.com wrote on Thursday, Feb 04 at 09:54 AM »
maria, Moundville has been there long before Dr. Clouse. However, he is contracted by Moundville to maintain and oversee the operations. They don't just give him free office space. I also believe that they take pride in what they have their and sure not going to hire someone not qualified. Give the man just a little credit.